Amen.

Ugh.

Ill put it on the list

Well if we follow that to its conclusion I may as well delete the thread and try not to think about it.

Maybe it’s kind to not let people take advantage, force them to rely on themselves, thats a kindness.

Yep, that all tracks for me, is there anything underneath the golden rule, a more base rule, if you will.

Like what about people who have different lines over what would trigger a physical response to hostility? One guy might only respond to direct physical attacks, and another will respond to verbal threats of physical attacks. Who’s right?

How do you feel about the trolley problem?

That’s a historic meme right thare

I’m not asking for general ideas, do you have a definition you ascribe to, or does it just change to suit the situation

Reminds me of the Stephen Moffat poem, they used it heavily in Dr who at one point.

"Demons run when a good man goes to war,

Night will fall and drown the sun,

When a good man goes to war.

Friendship dies and true love lies,

Night will fall and the dark will rise,

When a good man goes to war.

Demons run, but count the cost;

The battle’s won, but the child is lost."

Im sure you’ve got some other principles you could share. Theres more to life than caffiene and deffication, surely.

Great philosophy, gotta make sure people dont take advantage of that though.

Define better for me

I think we can extrapolate that out to do unto others as youd have done to you. Great way to be.

Nice, very good, I’m gonna poke some holes for arguments sake, I like a good discussion.

What’s right?

And what if bringing pain is better long term, like a needle with medicine, whats a statement that draws that line?

Hahaha, I know right!

I start with my ideal, which is “I want the most amount of people to be as content as possible for as long as possible.”

Then I build a heirarchy of groups in relation to the ideal, and it comes out in stepped groups, starting with me, immediate family, social group (further family, friends, colleagues), local community, government, humanity. This set allows me to target my focus, if Im content and safe, I can focus on helping my family be the same, and each level builds up to and allows for the next.

Now I can identify where to focus i need rules on how to act, i know what my goals is, but i need to make sure my actions arent counter to goal in some way, a set of rules like commandments (that can only be divined through experience) mitigate the possibility. Christianity does a good job of picking out the things that are counter to my ideal as it is, so mine are basically modelled after that.

1. No killing
2. No stealing
3. Dont lie
4. Dont covet
5. No adultery (though I’d say this covers breaking any agreement/commitment made)
6. There’s probably a couple more I’ve missed but I’m short on time

And for it to be fair for me to expect anyone else to follow the rules, i must first, this is the connection between rights and responsibilities If I want to claim a right, it is my responsibility to ensure others receives that right.

So basically I know if I follow that schedule, I really cant consciously do any wrong and can sleep right knowing I mad the best decision.

Let mek now if Im being incoherent anywhere, happy to discuss whatever.